diff --git a/src/backend/postmaster/postmaster.c b/src/backend/postmaster/postmaster.c
index 77aff02b15..e860fe129c 100644
--- a/src/backend/postmaster/postmaster.c
+++ b/src/backend/postmaster/postmaster.c
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@
  *
  *
  * IDENTIFICATION
- *	  $Header: /cvsroot/pgsql/src/backend/postmaster/postmaster.c,v 1.329 2003/05/27 17:49:46 momjian Exp $
+ *	  $Header: /cvsroot/pgsql/src/backend/postmaster/postmaster.c,v 1.330 2003/05/28 17:25:02 tgl Exp $
  *
  * NOTES
  *
@@ -379,6 +379,8 @@ PostmasterMain(int argc, char *argv[])
 
 	progname = argv[0];
 
+	IsPostmasterEnvironment = true;
+
 	/*
 	 * Catch standard options before doing much else.  This even works on
 	 * systems without getopt_long.
diff --git a/src/backend/utils/error/elog.c b/src/backend/utils/error/elog.c
index 6ca9f38401..fd6d35bb5a 100644
--- a/src/backend/utils/error/elog.c
+++ b/src/backend/utils/error/elog.c
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@
  *
  *
  * IDENTIFICATION
- *	  $Header: /cvsroot/pgsql/src/backend/utils/error/elog.c,v 1.109 2003/04/24 21:16:44 tgl Exp $
+ *	  $Header: /cvsroot/pgsql/src/backend/utils/error/elog.c,v 1.110 2003/05/28 17:25:02 tgl Exp $
  *
  *-------------------------------------------------------------------------
  */
@@ -189,25 +189,33 @@ errstart(int elevel, const char *filename, int lineno,
 	}
 
 	/* Determine whether message is enabled for server log output */
-	/* Complicated because LOG is sorted out-of-order for this purpose */
-	if (elevel == LOG || elevel == COMMERROR)
+	if (IsPostmasterEnvironment)
 	{
-		if (log_min_messages == LOG)
-			output_to_server = true;
-		else if (log_min_messages < FATAL)
-			output_to_server = true;
+		/* Complicated because LOG is sorted out-of-order for this purpose */
+		if (elevel == LOG || elevel == COMMERROR)
+		{
+			if (log_min_messages == LOG)
+				output_to_server = true;
+			else if (log_min_messages < FATAL)
+				output_to_server = true;
+		}
+		else
+		{
+			/* elevel != LOG */
+			if (log_min_messages == LOG)
+			{
+				if (elevel >= FATAL)
+					output_to_server = true;
+			}
+			/* Neither is LOG */
+			else if (elevel >= log_min_messages)
+				output_to_server = true;
+		}
 	}
 	else
 	{
-		/* elevel != LOG */
-		if (log_min_messages == LOG)
-		{
-			if (elevel >= FATAL)
-				output_to_server = true;
-		}
-		/* Neither is LOG */
-		else if (elevel >= log_min_messages)
-			output_to_server = true;
+		/* In bootstrap/standalone case, do not sort LOG out-of-order */
+		output_to_server = (elevel >= log_min_messages);
 	}
 
 	/* Determine whether message is enabled for client output */
diff --git a/src/backend/utils/init/globals.c b/src/backend/utils/init/globals.c
index 8a707165ec..a4b0889e4f 100644
--- a/src/backend/utils/init/globals.c
+++ b/src/backend/utils/init/globals.c
@@ -8,7 +8,7 @@
  *
  *
  * IDENTIFICATION
- *	  $Header: /cvsroot/pgsql/src/backend/utils/init/globals.c,v 1.69 2003/02/22 05:57:45 tgl Exp $
+ *	  $Header: /cvsroot/pgsql/src/backend/utils/init/globals.c,v 1.70 2003/05/28 17:25:02 tgl Exp $
  *
  * NOTES
  *	  Globals used all over the place should be declared here and not
@@ -57,6 +57,8 @@ char	   *DatabasePath = NULL;
 
 Oid			MyDatabaseId = InvalidOid;
 
+/* these are initialized for the bootstrap/standalone case: */
+bool		IsPostmasterEnvironment = false;
 bool		IsUnderPostmaster = false;
 
 int			DateStyle = USE_ISO_DATES;
diff --git a/src/bin/initdb/initdb.sh b/src/bin/initdb/initdb.sh
index 47290529df..67ae4b0005 100644
--- a/src/bin/initdb/initdb.sh
+++ b/src/bin/initdb/initdb.sh
@@ -27,7 +27,7 @@
 # Portions Copyright (c) 1996-2002, PostgreSQL Global Development Group
 # Portions Copyright (c) 1994, Regents of the University of California
 #
-# $Header: /cvsroot/pgsql/src/bin/initdb/Attic/initdb.sh,v 1.189 2003/05/15 15:50:19 petere Exp $
+# $Header: /cvsroot/pgsql/src/bin/initdb/Attic/initdb.sh,v 1.190 2003/05/28 17:25:02 tgl Exp $
 #
 #-------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
@@ -546,9 +546,7 @@ PGSQL_OPT="-F -D$PGDATA"
 
 if [ "$debug" = yes ]
 then
-    BACKEND_TALK_ARG="-d 5"
-else
-    PGSQL_OPT="$PGSQL_OPT -o /dev/null"
+    BOOTSTRAP_TALK_ARG="-d 5"
 fi
 
 
@@ -570,7 +568,7 @@ cat "$POSTGRES_BKI" \
   export LC_COLLATE
   export LC_CTYPE
   unset LC_ALL
-  "$PGPATH"/postgres -boot -x1 $PGSQL_OPT $BACKEND_TALK_ARG template1
+  "$PGPATH"/postgres -boot -x1 $PGSQL_OPT $BOOTSTRAP_TALK_ARG template1
 ) \
 || exit_nicely
 
diff --git a/src/include/miscadmin.h b/src/include/miscadmin.h
index 18781c5dc5..8621722bad 100644
--- a/src/include/miscadmin.h
+++ b/src/include/miscadmin.h
@@ -12,7 +12,7 @@
  * Portions Copyright (c) 1996-2002, PostgreSQL Global Development Group
  * Portions Copyright (c) 1994, Regents of the University of California
  *
- * $Id: miscadmin.h,v 1.121 2003/05/03 03:52:07 momjian Exp $
+ * $Id: miscadmin.h,v 1.122 2003/05/28 17:25:02 tgl Exp $
  *
  * NOTES
  *	  some of the information in this file should be moved to
@@ -104,6 +104,7 @@ extern void ProcessInterrupts(void);
 /*
  * from postmaster/postmaster.c
  */
+extern bool IsPostmasterEnvironment;
 extern bool IsUnderPostmaster;
 extern bool ClientAuthInProgress;
 extern const bool ExecBackend;