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From owner-pgsql-hackers@hub.org Tue Jun 1 22:31:18 1999
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Message-ID: <37547FC3.40106A5E@bigfoot.com>
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 10:50:11 +1000
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From: Chris Bitmead <chris.bitmead@bigfoot.com>
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To: pgsql-hackers@hub.org
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Subject: Re: [HACKERS] ALTER TABLE ADD COLUMN
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References: <199906011436.KAA23479@candle.pha.pa.us>
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Bruce Momjian wrote:
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> Our TODO now has:
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> * ALTER TABLE ADD COLUMN to inherited table put column in wrong place
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>
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> I don't think any of us understand the issues on this one.
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Let me guess at the problem. When you add a column, it doesn't change
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all the records, therefore the column must be added at the end. This
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means that the columns will not be in the same order as if you had
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created them from scratch.
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There seem to be three solutions:
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a) Go to a much more sophisticated schema system, with versions and
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version numbers (fairly hard but desirable to fix other schema change
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problems). Then insert the column in the position it is supposed to be
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in.
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b) Fix the copy command to input and output the columns, not in the
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order they are in, but in the order they would be in on re-creation.
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c) make the copy command take arguments specifying the field names, like
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INSERT can do.
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I think it would be good if Postgres had all 3 features. Probably (b) is
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the least work.
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From: "Jonathan davis" <haj@idianet.net>
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To: "Bruce Momjian" <maillist@candle.pha.pa.us>
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Cc: "Pgsql-General@Postgresql. Org" <pgsql-general@postgreSQL.org>
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Subject: Re: [GENERAL] just little BUG
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Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 09:46:42 +0200
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>[Charset iso-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]
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>> hello all
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>>
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>> normaly a UNIQUE PRIMARY KEY is unique but
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>> when you use a heritage, you can insert a duplicate key !!!!
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>
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>I assume you mean inheritance.
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>
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>Can you send us a little test sample please?
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>
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>--
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hello all
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this is the problem:
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example:
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test=> CREATE TABLE MAN(name char(10) UNIQUE PRIMARY KEY);T
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test=> CREATE TABLE PROFESSOR(scool char(20))INHERITS(MAN);
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test=> INSERT INTO PROFESSOR(name) VALUES('DAVIS');
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INSERT 54424 1
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test=> INSERT INTO PROFESSOR(name) VALUES('DAVIS');
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INSERT 54425 1
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:31:31 +0000
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From: Chris Bitmead <chris.bitmead@bigfoot.com>
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To: hackers@postgreSQL.org
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Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Heads up: does RULES regress test still work for you?
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References: <199904151054.UAA07367@tech.com.au> <3715C69E.AE517ADB@bigfoot.com>
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Does the following indicate a bug? It sure is wierd. Maybe some of these
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statements aren't supported by postgresql (??), but the outcome doesn't
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make sense to me.
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httpd=> CREATE TABLE x (y text);
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CREATE
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httpd=> CREATE VIEW z AS select * from x;
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CREATE
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httpd=> CREATE TABLE a (b text) INHERITS(z);
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CREATE
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httpd=> INSERT INTO x VALUES ('foo');
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INSERT 168602 1
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httpd=> select * from z*;
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y
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---
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foo
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foo
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(2 rows)
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How did we suddenly get two rows??
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--
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Chris Bitmead
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http://www.bigfoot.com/~chris.bitmead
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mailto:chris.bitmead@bigfoot.com
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To: pgsql-hackers@postgreSQL.org
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Subject: [HACKERS] INSERT INTO view means what exactly?
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Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 10:42:39 -0400
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Message-ID: <2981.927643359@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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From: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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With current sources:
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regression=> CREATE TABLE x (y text);
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CREATE
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regression=> CREATE VIEW z AS select * from x;
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CREATE
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regression=> INSERT INTO x VALUES ('foo');
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INSERT 411635 1
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regression=> INSERT INTO z VALUES ('bar');
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INSERT 411636 1
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regression=> select * from x;
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y
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---
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foo
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(1 row)
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regression=> select * from z;
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y
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---
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foo
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(1 row)
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OK, where'd tuple 411636 go? Seems to me that the insert should either
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have been rejected or caused an insert into x, depending on how
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transparent you think views are (I always thought they were
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read-only?). Dropping the data into never-never land and giving a
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misleading success response code is not my idea of proper behavior.
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regards, tom lane
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To: Don Baccus <dhogaza@pacifier.com>
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cc: "Hiroshi Inoue" <Inoue@tpf.co.jp>, "Peter Eisentraut" <peter_e@gmx.net>,
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"PostgreSQL Development" <pgsql-hackers@postgreSQL.org>
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Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Happy column dropping
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In-reply-to: <3.0.1.32.20000124184137.01069490@mail.pacifier.com>
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References: <001001bf66d7$b531ba00$2801007e@tpf.co.jp> <001001bf66d7$b531ba00$2801007e@tpf.co.jp> <3.0.1.32.20000124184137.01069490@mail.pacifier.com>
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Comments: In-reply-to Don Baccus <dhogaza@pacifier.com>
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message dated "Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:41:37 -0800"
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Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:57:12 -0500
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Message-ID: <11573.948772632@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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From: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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Don Baccus <dhogaza@pacifier.com> writes:
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> Just a reality check for my learning of the internals. Out of curiousity
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> I coincidently have spent the last hour looking to see how add column's
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> implemented. It doesn't appear to do anything other than the new attribute
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> to the proper system table. heap_getattr() just returns null if you ask
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> for an attribute past the end of the tuple.
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> This would appear to be (at least one reason) why you can't add a "not null"
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> constraint to a column you're adding to an existing relation, or set the
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> new column to some non-null default value.
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> Correct? (again, to see if my eyeballs and brain are working in synch
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> tonight)
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Yup, that's about the size of it. ADD COLUMN doesn't actually touch the
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table itself, so it can only add a column that's initially all NULLs.
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And even this depends on some uncomfortable assumptions about the
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robustness of heap_getattr(). I have always wondered whether it works
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if you ADD COLUMN a 33'rd column (or anything that is just past the
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next padding boundary for the null-values bitmap).
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Another problem with it is seen when you do a recursive ADD COLUMN in
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an inheritance tree. The added column has the first free column number
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in each table, which generally means that it has different numbers in
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the children than in the parent. There are some kluges to make this
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sort-of-work for simple cases, but a lot of stuff fails unpleasantly
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--- Chris Bitmead can show you some scars from that, IIRC.
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> Does your comment imply that it's planned to change this, i.e. actually
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> add the new column to each tuple in the relation rather than use the
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> existing, somewhat elegant hack?
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That's what I would like to see: all the children should have the
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same column numbers for all columns that they inherit from the parent.
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(Now, this would mean not only physically altering the tuples of
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the children, but also renumbering their added columns, which has
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implications on stored rules and triggers and so forth. It'd be
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painful, no doubt about it. Still, I'd rather pay the price in the
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seldom-used ADD COLUMN case than try to deal with out-of-sync column
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numbers in many other, more commonly exercised, code paths.)
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regards, tom lane
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************
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Don Baccus wrote:
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> Ahhh...yes. I haven't looked at the inheritance code, yet, but I see
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> what you're saying. I think. Do child-table columns follow parent-table
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> columns by some chance (in today's absolute column number scheme)?
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>
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> >If we were willing to hardwire the assumption that DROP COLUMN never
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> >physically drops a column, but only hides it and adjusts logical column
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> >numbers, then the physical column numbers could serve as permanent IDs;
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> >so we'd only need two numbers not three. This might be good, or not.
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>
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> Yes. But if I'm right about how child-table columns are numbered,
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> wouldn't add column still cause a problem, i.e. you'd still have to
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> change their physical column number?
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If we allow deleted column as a basic feature of postgres,
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it could be like that
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base: COL1 | COL2 | COL3
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child: COL1 | COL2 | COL3 | COL4
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after add column 5 to base table
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base: COL1 | COL2 | COL3 | del4 | COL5
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child: COL1 | COL2 | COL3 | COL4 | COL5
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after add column 6 to child
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base: COL1 | COL2 | COL3 | del4 | COL5
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child: COL1 | COL2 | COL3 | COL4 | COL5 | COL6
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after drop column 2 from base table
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base: COL1 | del2 | COL3 | del4 | COL5
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child: COL1 | del2 | COL3 | COL4 | COL5 | COL6
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dropping column from child table that is not a deleted column in
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parent is not allowed.
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The delN columns are always NULLed on reading tuple and are written as proper
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null columns (taking up space only in NULL bitmask)
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multiple inheritance is tricky and _requires_ unique column ids maybe oids
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from pg_attribute to be doable.
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Hannu
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On 2000-01-25, Tom Lane mentioned:
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> > Everything has its order and it's not like the inheritance as such is
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> > broken.
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>
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> Yes, a whole bunch of stuff is broken after this happens. Go back and
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> consult the archives --- or maybe Chris Bitmead will fill you in; he's
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> got plenty of scars to show for this set of problems. (All I recall
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> offhand is that pg_dump and reload can fail to generate a working
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> database.) The bottom line is that it would be a lot nicer if column c
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> had the same column position in both the parent table and the child
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> table(s).
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This should be fixed in pg_dump by infering something via the oids of the
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pg_attribute entries. No need to mess up the backend for it.
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Maybe pg_dump should optionally dump schemas in terms of insert into
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pg_something commands rather than actual DDL. ;)
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>
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> I suggest you be very cautious about messing with ALTER TABLE until you
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> understand why inheritance makes it such a headache ;-)
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I'm just trying to get the defaults and constraints working. If
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inheritance stays broken the way it previously was, it's beyond my
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powers. But I get the feeling that people rather not alter their tables
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unless they have *perfect* alter table commands. I don't feel like arguing
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with them, they'll just have to do without then.
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--
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Peter Eisentraut Sernanders v<>g 10:115
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